The Third Eve

The Weight of a Sparrow

November 10, 2008 · 20 Comments

All happy families resemble one another, but each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.   ~ Leo Tolstoy, Anna Karenina

Pioneer family systems therapist Virginia Satir wrote that all of the thousands of troubled families she bird03 by you.treated had the same four problems in common, and all of the comparatively few healthy family systems she encountered had the same four strengths. My experience has been similar, and I’ve learned that people who grew up in diseased and painful family systems will carry their family dis-ease with them for decades, passing it on to their children and grandchildren and beyond. When one thinks of “sin” as being missing the best possible mark and running afoul, the Biblical law of generational reaping makes more sense and one can see the sins of the father being passed on to the “second and third generation” as being more about a human infliction of pain than a divine one.

In a troubled family or system or group:

  • Self-worth is low.
  • Communication is indirect, vague, and not really honest.
  • Rules are rigid, inhuman, nonnegotiable, and everlasting.
  • The family’s link to society is fearful, placating, and blaming.

In a healthy or relatively untroubled family, system, or group:

  • Self-worth is high.
  • Communication is direct, clear, specific, and honest.
  • Rules are flexible, human, appropriate, and subject to change.
  • The link to society is open and hopeful, and is based on choice.

After many years of research into systems, we know for certain that any system can be changed, and that sick systems can become healthier. We know that it takes only one person in a sick system to change that system by becoming healthier. We know that all people in all families and in all groups and systems deal with the same types of relationship problems and have the same types of human needs. What we don’t know is the particular ways in which a particular family group missed the mark and hurt its dependent members. What we don’t know is how problems affected a particular child or how they will continue to affect a particular adult. What we don’t know is just how very long the problems and pains accrued in a problem family will continue to pain a person who has come out of that system. What we don’t know is the exact path to healing and wholeness for a particular person.

what is your worth?

One thing we know is that everyone has a feeling of worth, either negative or positive. The question is, which is it? If you stop for a moment and think about this, you’ll probably know the answer.

Sitting here at my keyboard, the landscape outside my window a beautiful, overcast, uniform daytime bird02 by you.tawniness of golds, browns, and russets, I know that my worth is high. Today, my container is very full, and I feel very happy and blessed. I sense my own weight of worth, and it’s substantial. It’s substantial even when I think of the people who have caused me the most pain in my life. Even when I stand next to the beautiful young girl in line at Starbucks and realize that I am no longer beautiful and young, and even look downright house-wifey today, and that I’d like to lose five or ten pounds, and that I have wrinkles and am perceived by others as definitely getting older, I am as heavy with worth as gold bullion. I might be a stack of gold bullion. You might need a forklift to move me. This is my sense of self worth: it’s great.

But my self worth hasn’t always been substantial. There were times in my life when I’m not sure that I even had a penny’s worth. There are times when, riding down the road, I might have rolled down the window and thrown out five or seven red copper pennies, and seen them bounce against the asphalt and into the weed-filled ditch and thought I was worth no more than those pennies, thrown to the wind. I might have been cast away just like that, seen by no one except that white hand, casting me to the wind, found by no one. Wanted by no one. Like a penny you’re not sure you’ll stoop to pick up.

bird01 by you.I have written about this before, and each time I’ve written about it, I’ve been attacked for it. One time I wrote quite a long article about this for an on-line community I was paid to moderate, and later that article turned up in a court of law in which I was an expert witness, trying to help a birth mother get her baby back when slick, adoptive parent attorneys legally stole her baby from her. As her too-full breasts ached with breast milk, I watched them steal her baby legally and when I tried to do something about it, they said I was crazy because I over-identified with her infant because I myself had been an unwanted baby. Only a crazy someone, they said, would fight to give a baby back to a single, overweight, unemployed mother. Only a fruit cake would be unable to see that two wealthy East Coast attorneys would be better parents to her baby.

That was the first time.

The second time was when I wrote about it here on this blog, and said that I had never felt at home or welcome in my mother’s arms, and some drive-by adoptees came here to read something else I’d written, and poked around and read more and concluded that I was crazy, and that I was a crap mother to my adopted children, and that I had been unwanted and so had tried to heal my own orphanhood by adopting unwanted orphans myself. That I would never understand my adopted children. That only adoptees Know The Truth About Abandonment. And that nobody else can know.

What they meant, or what I think they meant, was that my own mother had not wanted me, and therefore I was Unwanted. My own children also found me Unwanted, just as these adoptees found me Unwanted. In my very essence, I was the epitome of Unwantedness. I was crap.

bird06 by you.Their words reminded me of the zombie movies I’ve been watching with my 16-year-old son, who is an expert on surviving zombie attacks and zombie invasions. These zombies bite you wherever they can, and they bite and hold on, tearing flesh, sinew, muscle, tendon. They will put their mouths in your abdomen and eviscerate you, and gnaw on your intestines while you’re still alive. They’re dead, but they need life to sustain them, so they attack others until everyone is similarly dead. Then you all shuffle around together, zombies. This is what it seemed like to me.

bam! you didn’t see it coming

My words about my own orphanhood pushed buttons in others, and then they pushed buttons in me. The button-pushing is what Jung called a complex, a set of emotional charges that go off whenever a certain spot is touched. It’s like a land mine, or a booby trap, or a trip wire in a movie like the ones guys like to watch: the hunter, and the hunted. The watcher, and the watched. The sneaky and the sneaked-upon.

BAM!

You didn’t see it coming.

bird04 by you.I tripped over a trip wire, and fell headlong into my own past. This was a past that began badly. I’m not sure I want or need to go into specifics, and there’s nothing all that dramatic about my own beginnings, but suffice to say that to this very day, my mother is the last person I would call if I needed real help. If I needed someone whose presence or spirit would uphold or support me in a time of crisis, weakness, or need, I wouldn’t call my mother. Nor would I call my father, although I’d think about calling him. He, after all, still calls me “sugar.” I would sit on his lap right now, and he would welcome me. I love my father, and he loves me.

But.

He married my mother, and so the two of them are in it together. And back when it all started, the two of them together, it didn’t start well. Initially, there was no blessing on either side, from either set of parents, for their union. But a child-me-was in the middle. An unplanned, unwanted one coming at the wrong time, in the wrong circumstance, of the wrong gender and the wrong temperament. Nearly aborted (I know that drill), exiting early from a hostile womb, its bulge hidden by my mother so that bird05 by you.Nobody Would Know the Truth (this is how my life began), and then months in an incubator, my Eyes Taped Shut. No mother to hold me. No breast milk. Army nurses in a time when I should have died, but didn’t. When a priest came to baptize me and my parents refused. When my mother (the same one who tried to expel me from her womb) says she saw a Being who said to her, “the child will not die, but live” and so my life had a Very Special Call on it.

So, let the crazy-making begin, for people whose lives have a Very Special Call ought to be treated Very Special, eh? And when they are not, then there’s a lie in there somewhere. And because infants and children cannot possibly impute wrong to a parent, the wrong accrues to the child. And this is one way in which a child comes to believe that she is worth not only less than other children, but worth less than nothing. Less than nothing, because if you cause pain and discomfort in your own parent, then your very existence is a deficit to that parent, and thus to the universe. You are worth less. They make sure you learn the math in a million ways.

This is quite a hole to climb out of, as many of you must know.

the weight of a sparrow

What is your feeling of worth today? What was it yesterday, last week, last month, last year? Does it fluctuate? Does it generally go up? Do you see a steady increase? Did it start high, do you think? What do you feel?

Your immediate, knee-jerk reaction to these questions, and your truthful, reality-based reaction may differ. Objects may appear smaller in the mirror. But this is where you begin, with that question: what is your worth?

My answer is, I am worth much. I am worth my weight in gold bullion, or maybe the weight of the universe (sometimes). I am worth as much as anyone, and as little as anyone.

I am worth the weight of God. I’m worth the weight of a sparrow.

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  • renaissanceguy // November 10, 2008 at 4:32 PM | Reply

    I am happy to say that I have a stronger feeling of worth now than I ever had in my life before. At one time I was sure I wasn’t even worth living.

    My mother wanted me, although I was conceived out of wedlock. She was urged to abort but wouldn’t hear of it. She coerced her father to allow her to marry my father.

    Then they fought for eight years, and I mean fought. As in hitting and throwing things at each other.

    I was a natural-born perfectionist, and my mother fed into it. I was never quite good enough, and I never performed well enough.

    I don’t put my treatment in the category of “abused,” but I was very much stifled by a rigid system of rules.

    I seriously thought about suicide several times and made one real attempt to do it.

    One small step on the road to recovery was that the doctor who first saw me after I tried to kill myself said, “You know, in one year things will be completely different. I cannot promise that they will be better, but they will be different.” It seemed like he was the first person to ever actually speak to me realistically. I got it, and it helped me gain perspective on everything else.

    I finally realized that perfection was too high a standard. I realized that life fluxuates, and that it fluxuates for everybody. I also realized that life sometimes stinks for everybody.

    It took several therapists, as well as spiritual growth to heal more, but I eventually did heal. I would now call myself “functional with stretches of well-being.”

    Having a family has helped me, because they give me a reason to stay sane. They need me to, and so I work at it. Having a family has also shown me that my worth, and my sense of worth, has more to do with my outreach to others than about my looking inward. (One should look inward, but only to better look outward.)

  • henitsirk // November 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM | Reply

    “I might be a stack of gold bullion. You might need a forklift to move me.”

    Darling, you are Fort Knox. You are not crap.

    * * * * *

    You said people judged you for allegedly trying “to heal my own orphanhood by adopting unwanted orphans myself”. I’m not sure I understand why that is any different than someone working out their particular neuroses with their biological children. It’s what we all do together here in this life: work out our karma, work toward perfecting ourselves by hook or by crook. Maybe it’s not a good reason to adopt, or to give birth, but it’s a fact of human relationships.

    * * * * *

    What’s my sense of self-worth today? Hmm. I had my very first parent-teacher conference today, with my son’s kindergarten teacher. As I expected, he excels in almost everything and has very good behavior. (Expected, because I know he’s a smarty, and I volunteer in his class.) I feel good that in addition to his natural abilities, I have encouraged him to learn and to love learning. It contributes to my positive self-perception.

    I am also mentoring an old friend in becoming a freelance editor after he was laid off recently. I feel competent and useful to be answering his urgent emails as he works on his first manuscript.

    I’m about to start cooking a relatively fancy dinner for my family, and this also helps me feel needed and useful and loved. I’m a fairly good cook, and my family tells me that what I make is tasty and healthy.

    * * * * *

    Have I always felt this way? Not sure. I remember that self-esteem became something of a buzz word when I was in grade school, particularly in the light of the then newly common diagnosis of anorexia and bulimia. Everyone was talking about children’s self-esteem, particularly for girls.

    I remember my mother in particular saying things to encourage me, even slightly ridiculous things like “you have good hand-eye coordination”! I remember excelling in school, though that wasn’t necessarily a source of pride: I didn’t have to work very hard at it, so it was just something that came naturally. Overcoming an obstacle or working toward substantial improvement is what we should be proud of, right? I was an underachiever, in fact.

    I guess I’m lucky–I’ve never felt unwanted by my parents, nor have I ever come close to contemplating suicide.

  • Aunty Christ // November 10, 2008 at 6:44 PM | Reply

    The last few lines of this post are beautiful. And I’ve felt–many times recently, wholly–what you wrote about standing behind a more beautiful, younger girl in line at the coffee house and being … okay with it. Whereas, maybe only five years ago, maybe less (I hate admitting this), I felt immediately like less of a person when in the presence of someone more attractive than myself, unless I was able to convince myself that she was also really stupid, or a horrible person in some other way.

    It’s nice getting older, isn’t it?

    Also, I wanted to let you know that your last post inspired me to take on in my blog a topic that’s been gnawing away at me for many years. It’s a different topic than yours, and I’m handling it differently of course, but I figured that if you can face your demons in front of your many readers, I can face mine in front of the couple of people who look at my blog. So thank you for putting the idea out there.

  • justenjoyhim // November 10, 2008 at 7:47 PM | Reply

    Interesting you should write this now. Yesterday, I stood and looked at myself in the mirror — at what I call my “Notatata” — where the mastectomy was. The bulge of breast tissue, where the radiation burn is healing, but is still there, and one word came to me: Ugly.

    A friend of mine who is very simpatico with me came to me today to see how I was and I talked with her. She told me how we’re all made in God’s image and God isn’t ugly so when that word crops up again, to remind myself of that. :)

    Then she prayed for me.

    It’s still in my mind, but less so, and I’m reminding myself that God made me and, as they say, “God don’t make ugly.”

    Thank you for this post. It’s beautiful.

  • Lee // November 11, 2008 at 8:39 AM | Reply

    I never really spent a lot of time thinking about things in this way. Growing up, I guess I did have a dysfunctional family; I did know that I didn’t want to have that kind of family when I became a parent. When my mom is angry, she just stops talking. I remember times when for days running the only things she said were “please pass the butter” when we were at dinner. My dad and I never got along. I always thought that I was the source of family discord and consequently chose my college and life path so that I could exit home as quickly as possible. I remember being stunned when my parents divorced one year later. It was such a shock to realize that I couldn’t have been the source of the problem if they split up when I wasn’t there! I still have no relationship with my father, I do with my mom. I love her, but I feel more responsible for her; I don’t go to her for advice or solace. I share cute stories about hte kids, visit her monthly etc. She is 75 and needs that, and she is a good grandmother; mostly because I think I am a vigilent parent and she is not allowed to say or do the kinds of things that happened when I was growing up.

    I don’t think I ever really doubted my worth though. That sounds really egotistical and isn’t meant that way. I knew I was a good student and not a trouble maker. I just figured my family and I didn’t ‘fit’ somehow and I needed to go find my own path.

    I hope and pray I am giving my children love and strength in equal measures and the courage to try their wings when they are ready.

    One last thought, your comment on rigid rules rings true for only 3 of my 4 children. I have an adult son on the autistic spectrum and he truly needs the rigid structure. If the order of his days change he is utterly flummoxed and adrift in a very unhappy way. Right down to if he doesn’t shave after breakfast, he will have issues. So for one child I do have rigid rules but they keep him calm and keep our household in a manner that others are not negatively impacted by his having a meltdown that could have been prevented.

  • Eve // November 11, 2008 at 1:52 PM | Reply

    RG, I liked that you call yourself “functional with stretches of well-being.” We are so affluent in America that I think sometimes we promote the Hollywood-based idea that we should be spectacular with stretches of downright god-likeness. Or something along those lines.

    It interests me, too, that you say you were a natural-born perfectionist. I do think that our innate temperaments play into the other factors to contribute to a final result. A less perfectionistic sibling, for example, would probably have fared better in your family. Introverts do less well in troubled families than do extraverts; sensers seem to do better than intuitive types, and so on. You probably know this already, but I thought I’d comment on it anyway. I think that my own particular brand of selfdom took my own upbringing harder than someone else would. My brothers are good examples of other outcomes.

    You also wrote that “one should look inward, but only to better look outward.” This is an interesting idea. I’m not sure whether I agree or disagree yet. My first impulse was to agree because of the place of service and giving in a Christian’s life. However, Jesus said that the kingdom of heaven is within us, so one must look and go inward. The inner sanctum is where God resides. So I’m not sure about looking outward until we are so full of God inwardly that we can do nothing but let it spill over into love and good works manifested outwardly. I tend to think that too much outward and not nearly enough inward results in that spiritual poverty we were talking about on another thread.

    Thanks for giving me something to think about. This comment piqued my interest.

  • Eve // November 11, 2008 at 2:43 PM | Reply

    Heni, you’re kind and sweet to tell me I’m Fort Knox. That’s funny and made me smile. I do know it. I think I was so shocked at the attack last year that I was momentarily rendered immobile.

    One problem that people raised by wolves have is that we may know truth instinctively, but we’ve never been trained to hunt for it or to handle it when we catch it. So when someone comes along with a lie, such as “you are crap, you are a crap mother,” we certainly know it’s a lie. But we are paralyzed because personal powerlessness is a hallmark of the child raised by too-powerful parents. In that powerlessness, one doesn’t know to stop smiling and being nice and to knock the hell out of the other person if need be.

    I’ll give you an example. Many years ago, before the web had this presence, I worked for several large ISPs developing their web-based communities. In one case I moderated several different communities based on my expertise. A MSW worked with me on one of these forums. She had been planned, wanted, and raised by spiritual, loving parents, and so had a different outlook than mine.

    A significantly neurotic woman frequented these forums and wreaked havoc. My response was to placate, negotiate, reason, and otherwise act as though this crazy, mean-spirited woman was going to suddenly become a warm, caring human being after a certain amount of time of being treated with warmth and reason.

    The MSW had a typical social-workerish reaction for the first several weeks of this. Finally, though, she had enough. One day, in response to a particularly crazy discussion thread, in so many words she told this woman publicly, “You don’t fool me one bit. You’re crazy. You’re diagnosable and I’m in a position to know it. I’d hazard an educated guess that you have [name of disorder] and I’m not going to deal with your drama any more. Get out of here and get some therapy.” And she banned the woman.

    I would not have done that at the time. I was just fresh out of graduate school with a master’s degree and truly believed in butterflies, unicorns, rainbows and fairies. I thought skill, warmth, and love would reach and transform all. I didn’t really believe in evil. I wasn’t fully Christian enough. You could say that I was quite the Pollyanna, a name and concept I’m going to be writing more about later.

    The MSW was correct; she knew truth when she perceived it, and she knew evil when she perceived it. I, on the other hand, had much to learn about trusting my perceptions and also about recognizing evil masquerading as illness. That woman never, to my knowledge, sought help. She decided to stay stuck in a state of being unloved. And that’s the problem. Only loved people are able to let go their rigidity and change. Being closed to love is being closed to change and that, I think, is a great evil.

    *****

    I’d like to know what you cooked for that fancy dinner.

    *****

    If a person had an orphan’s heart, and didn’t resolve it, and then grew up to adopt real-life orphans so that she could heal her own pain through externalizing it, even if unconscoiusly, this would be a moral wrong in my opinion. I think that the theory behind the attacks of these hurting adult adoptees was correct. It was correct because children are dependent beings, and they need parenting. An orphan is an even more needy being, having started life with a large loss, perhaps the largest. To then be taken up by crazy adoptive parents is one of the worst causes of offense, and I’ve treated many an adoptee with crazy adoptive parents like that.

    I agreed with the fundamental theory or ethical position of those adoptees, which was that an adoptive parent should be healthy and whole enough to parent and not work out his/her problems on the child, who is more needy than most. I don’t argue with this idea.

    What I do disagree with, though, is their judgment of me personally, assuming that they knew what I was doing or had done. The fact that one can judge someone one doesn’t know at all indicates a different problem altogether. This was a psychological trick, plain and simple, to try to get me to be their own nutty parents, or their own nutty selves so that they could have some place for their anger. I don’t know which, and that wasn’t my problem. My problem and dilemma was in how to handle what others, like David Rochester, have also experienced: the attack that comes when people who will not heal themselves encounter others who will or who have. Having the courage to go to one’s own dark places is a threat to those who lack the same courage. It breaks the “don’t show your weakness except in controlled ways” rule that many of the orphan-hearted maintain.

    While I agree with you that many parents work out their issues on their children or through them, I don’t believe it’s ethical to do so. Predictable, yes. Ethical, no. Jesus said that folks like that would be better off being tied to bricks and thrown into the ocean. Serious stuff.

    “Don’t cause those little children to suffer and fall along the way, people! I mean it!” That’s pretty much what he said.

    I agree with him.

    *****

    When I encountered these attacks in a court room, it was a simple matter to rebut them. But a blog is not a court room. People can say whatever they want on their blogs, and disallow comments and then a person is left without an opportunity for rebuttal. I know who I am. I know who I am very well. But I’m sometimes constrained by my own principles and can’t defend myself adequately. My children read my blog; I don’t share their details of their lives because their stuff is their stuff, not mine. But I know, and they know, who I am. They know that I’m not working out my stuff at their expense, but without sharing how I know this, my hands are tied and my keyboard might as well be unplugged.

    My dilemma last year was how to adhere to my own values while also telling the truth about myself. How is one to do that? This series is my attempt to do that without bringing more than I can allow myself to bring into it, while still bringing what’s my own. We’ll see how I do.

    I hope I answered your question.

  • Eve // November 11, 2008 at 2:44 PM | Reply

    Aunty, I’m looking forward to reading at your blog. Even if we go at it in fits and starts, at least we’re going at it, eh?

  • Eve // November 11, 2008 at 2:49 PM | Reply

    Lee, the type of structure and predictability your autistic son needs and the type Satir was writing about are different. Infants and toddlers, too, need their routines. They can be quite rigid, too, about what they need: a particular blanky for sleep time, a certain cup for drinking, a nap at the same time every day. The type of rigidity needed in families where certain members need that consistency is different from rigidity for no good reason.

    I’d guess that most families have some rigid rules, such as no playing with fire if you are a child, or no having wild parties at the house if you are a teenager, etc. Systems therapists don’t mean going without values or rules, they mean rigid rules when those rules are also of the “inhuman, nonnegotiable, and everlasting” variety.

  • Eve // November 11, 2008 at 2:54 PM | Reply

    Judy, interesting that you should share your experience, for just yesterday at a parent-teacher conference, one of my daughter’s teachers was talking to her about being created in God’s image. We talked about how man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart. Another way of putting it is the way Martin Luther King, Jr. put it, which is that we ought to be judged on moral character, not on outward appearances such as skin color—or in your case, the fact of having had a mastectomy.

    And yet we judge ourselves. I think we do that when we’re not looking at ourselves through God’s love, through eyes of faith, but through our own temporal eyes. It’s easy enough to do, because that’s our nature. And you, my friend, have much to grieve. What you’ve gone through has been grueling, terrible, and sad. Yes, you have much to rejoice over. And yet at the very same time you have much to grieve.

    Go easy on yourself, but most especially just keep following God’s gaze to your heart and spirit. That’s the real Judy. Everything else is going to pass away, giving way to glory.

  • deb // November 11, 2008 at 3:00 PM | Reply

    I have a sister who resents my brother and me, still to this day. I was born before birth control to older parents and then they had my brother. I imagine it wasn’t the best surprise in the world for my parents.

    I spent most of my life feeling unworthy, feeling like a misfit. Did it come from my family? Probably but I don’t think it was done on purpose.

    And now, now I am old enough to understand that I can chose how I feel, can chose what I believe and I believe I am worthy, believe we are all worthy. I smiled when I wrote that because it took me years and years to be okay with myself, to stop comparing myself to everyone else, although I still do that from time to time. But mostly I understand now that we all have fears, all want to be loved, all feel lonely at times. I’m better understanding how connected we are all and I’m glad of that.

  • henitsirk // November 11, 2008 at 5:28 PM | Reply

    Turned out not to be quite as fancy as I meant, since we cooked oatmeal cookies before dinner and I didn’t plan my time properly. I made Cornish game hens. And in the end, they’re really just tiny chickens, even if they seem fancy :) But they were quite tasty and the kids really loved getting *their own* whole chicken.

    I agree that unconsciously adopting (or birthing) children to fulfill your unmet needs is wrong. I meant more that we in some sense are powerless in the face of our karma: we will work it out with the people in our families. I also believe that to some degree we choose our families, based on the desire to work out that karma.

  • Scott Erb // November 11, 2008 at 5:44 PM | Reply

    What! They dug into an old article about you as having been ‘unwanted’ and used it against you in court to prevent a mom from having her own child and instead giving it to some wealthy couple? Did I read that right? That’s disgusting. I generally think all of us have equal value, but perhaps lawyers should be valued on a lower scale.

    Alas, that’s part of our culture: it’s not the love, it’s the money — and who can hire the best lawyers. When the World Trade Center collapsed government payments were made on the basis of peoples’ worth. Poor people were paid least because they weren’t going to make as much in their lives. The families of wealthy were paid more, so their children could have the private schools the would have otherwise had if the parent didn’t die. I co-teach with an Early Childhood Ed professor who said her professor in grad school would refer to children as “it” so as not to develop a bond with it or treat it like something other than a subject. How cold and detached a culture we’ve become!

    Yet, this idea of ’self-worth’ puzzles me a bit. Perhaps the wording is a bit too much like those un-human aspects of our culture that would lead people to coldly attack you for being honest. Do I have “worth”? Shrug. I know I am a good person. I truly believe that, I always have. I know I do bad things in moments of weakness or anger. I know that I try to learn from that. I know that I believe in myself, and I try to give others every benefit of a doubt I give myself (even…grudgingly…lawyers…) Worth seems a bit too materialist a term. And by “believe in myself,” I mean I am confident that I can achieve what I set out to do and, if I don’t, I can adapt and do what I can to make the best of a situation. I think we really have to guard against letting others, like those lawyers or those adoptee bloggers, from having the power to get one to question whether you are good or can believe in yourself. In fact, people like that probably are covering up self-doubts of their own — you know, if they can tear another person down they can feel a little better about themselves, at least for a minute or two….

  • Eve // November 12, 2008 at 11:00 AM | Reply

    Scott, that bit about valuing lawyers as lower than others made me laugh out loud! Ha ha HA!

    Yes, in one way it was a low blow. But in the moment, I gained a lot from it. I was rather thrilled, sitting in the witness stand, to have my own life thrown at me as a weapon. It was a true test of my mettle. Did I cry like a little girl? No. In fact, my answers were so good and so calm, coming from a good and calm place, that I infuriated the attorney. He grew red in the face and blustered is way out of that situation, and on cross-examination the other attorney finished him off. But yes, when I recall it I am struck by how low people will go. They’ll go as low as flesh-eating zombies; this is why we have these horror stories, after all.

    Your comment about materialism and the use of the word “worth” is thought-provoking. I smile as I write this because I enjoy it when someone comes from another direction and gives me a new perspective. I have to agree with you! How interesting that the concept of “self worth” comes out of the most prosperous society in the history of the world. Brilliant that you noticed that! Kudos.

    Now… let me ask you to consider what words you’d suggest psychologists and other theorists use to convey the same idea? Even as I ask, I am casting about in my mind to think of what Buddhism teaches (drawing a blank) or what Christianity or Judaism teach (drawing blanks there, too) about “self worth.”

    I do think of Jesus’ admonition that we are worth more than sparrows. There’s the idea of worth. But then he turns things on their head, too, with ideas such as “many who will be last shall be first,” and so on.

    Now I’ll be thinking off and on all day about language and how tricky it is, for it shows exactly what we mean. Wow, Scott, way to go!

  • Carmen // November 12, 2008 at 11:19 AM | Reply

    I stumbled upon your blog today while looking for information about dreams and C. Jung. I was fascinated to read some things you have written and I appreciate what I precieve as genuineness of thought. I am in graduate school working on my degree in Counseling. I am taking a class titled…Family Systems Theories. It isn’t a coincidence that you wrote this particular blog very recently and I stumbled upon it. I have learned much in this class about myself and about my family, my self worth and where it comes from. I am glad to say my self worth is very high and not in an unhealthy way. Thank God for my educated grandparents! Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

  • Peach // November 12, 2008 at 4:07 PM | Reply

    I really enjoy reading your blog and the honesty you write with. Thank you.

    Reading that you were premature and spent time in an incubator saddened me. My son was 3 months premature and it has been very hard for me knowing that he was without my touch for so long. Especially since I know the pain of not having my own mother’s tangible love & touch after birth. My adoptive Mother gave me so very much, but there is something to say for primal wounds and separation issues from your mother. I relied on and still rely on Is. 66 where it says “God will comfort you like a mother comforts her child”. I read that scripture the day after my son’s birth and I felt as if He was telling me that HIS comfort is more than sufficient.

    Bless you.

  • Eve // November 12, 2008 at 5:39 PM | Reply

    Peach, that verse in Isaiah is one of my favorite in the Bible. It’s true that God’s comfort is more than sufficient.

    I not only believe, but know that having a rough start isn’t a permanent sentence of any kind. It’s really up to the mother who’s going to be mothering to take care of that infant and give her what she needs. I’ve never agreed with Nancy Verrier’s theory of the primal wound, because her theory isn’t sound (she was never from the psychoanalytic school anyway, though). While I’m quite sure that Nancy saw something, I don’t think that qualifying it as a primal, permanent wound is accurate (otherwise, every single adopted person or baby ever separated from his/her mother would have one).

    But still, Peach… there’s something there. Whether it is spiritual or arising from some deeply psychological place, I don’t know. There’s definitely something that happens. And yet, there’s also grace available. That’s the best thing.

  • Eve // November 12, 2008 at 5:43 PM | Reply

    Carmen, I’m glad you stumbled by, and hope you return again. It would be fun to swap stories of what (and how) we learn in therapist school! What an experience. If you return, I hope you’ll tell me what your impressions are of your family therapy class. I really enjoyed mine!

    It interested me that you expressed gratitude for your educated grandparents. My grandparents were lifelines for me for many reasons, not the least of which was the fact that they were wise, educated, and Christian. My parents didn’t raise us with any spiritual direction at all, and this was a great loss for me as an intuitive, sensitive child. I’m always grateful that I did have people in my family who loved me unconditionally and who showed great examples of how to use one’s mind.

    So, you have me intrigued. When you have time, I hope you come back and elaborate. I like to hear people’s stories.

  • henitsirk // November 12, 2008 at 6:32 PM | Reply

    Well, Buddhists talk about “no self”, so maybe self-worth isn’t really a Buddhist concept :)

    So, of course I had to Google “Buddhist self-worth” and the first hit was this, so maybe I’m wrong.

  • Scott Erb // November 13, 2008 at 10:02 PM | Reply

    Thanks Eve! Language is indeed tricky (and sometimes telling). I’d probably go with self-love. Way back in 1725 Bishop Joseph Butler (Anglican) noted that the admonition “love your enemies as yourself” requires first to love oneself. If one loves oneself (healthy, not narcissitic), and one can forgive oneself and see oneself through self-critical eyes, then one can also deal with others with a spirit of forgiveness, understanding and caring. I think it really starts with people being comfortable with themselves. That’s why I enjoyed so much your post awhile back when you were in conversation with yourself about that car with an Obama sticker. That’s the kind of self-conversation that to me suggestions a strong healthy loving relationship with yourself. (That sounds weird…)

    As for “no-self…” I’m not Buddhist so I’ll take what I want from the wisdom of that faith, like I do all other faiths (what can I say, I’m a spiritual parasite). If the self is defined by desire and yearning then”self-worth” gets defined by “what one has and wants.” Negative self-worth comes if ones’ desires exceeds what one has. Moreover, Buddhists say we should focus on the “now,” while the self tends to get fixated on past and future. I don’t really know what to make of nirvana and all that, but the Buddhist idea that desire and the inability to focus on the present creates suffering, is pretty persuasive. (Though I can’t say I found that Buddhist blog Henitsirk linked to all that interesting…I prefer my spiritual ideas to be a bit more pragmatic).

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