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		<title>By: Mon</title>
		<link>http://eve3.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/good-help-is-hard-to-find/#comment-3326</link>
		<dc:creator>Mon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just read your comment,
&quot;I do mean that a person should at least have healed enough and have enough knowledge that their biggest wounds are those of the past; that they have grieved them; and that they can readily empathize with others who have similar wounds, but will not be sucked into them and do their clients a disservice.&quot;

Ah, okay then.

lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read your comment,<br />
&#8220;I do mean that a person should at least have healed enough and have enough knowledge that their biggest wounds are those of the past; that they have grieved them; and that they can readily empathize with others who have similar wounds, but will not be sucked into them and do their clients a disservice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, okay then.</p>
<p>lol</p>
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		<title>By: Mon</title>
		<link>http://eve3.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/good-help-is-hard-to-find/#comment-3325</link>
		<dc:creator>Mon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, appears like there&#039;s Past Stuff &#039;twixt you an the unmentioned commenter. :D I am a deep-feeling but light-hearted soul, so yes, please see the wink above, between, and below everything I say.

So I will be more upfront and quickly add my pov. Solely my own!

I really enjoyed your post but disagree with all the parts where you mention the personal success of therapists or other&#039;s imperfections. Fortunately for me, I love disagreement (authentic types of course).

I think my perspective is just very different to your own. I guess I begin with the perception that there is no such thing as perfection. So I imagine that it&#039;s very easy to take two very different paths after that, ay?

I don&#039;t feel that a therapist needs to have their own life in tact to be useful to clients. In fact, out of personal darkness often comes clarity for OTHERS. Now, don&#039;t misunderstand, I go along with the old, &#039;physician heal thyself&#039;, but I&#039;m okay if said physician is tending his/her own wounds as s/he listens to mine. A therapist is not a mentor in my eyes. Now a mentor, yes, I&#039;ll prefer she is more successful in her life than I am in mine, otherwise, why the heck am I after a mentor anyway? But I digress....

As someone, ahem, recently said, Jesus walked with the scum. As a non-Christian I really dig this about the guy.
I personally have found much to learn from amongst the &#039;worse&#039; of the imperfects of this world. If nothing else, a reminder that I am no better. That once I begin to differentiate from them because of their imperfections - feeling superior - I am merely confirming my first belief, that I am no better afterall.
If I feel that a group&#039;s energy is not of benefit to me, then that is MY issue. I own it. Many others have found that swimming in the mud is of benefit to them and to others. I saw this a lot on the streets of Sydney, with &#039;street&#039; preachers, shelter workers and their ilk.
And try to get a homeless drug-addicted teenager to talk to the squeaky clean therapist and you&#039;ll see them march right out the door. But offer up a tasty ex-addict and middle-of-a-divorce therapist and they drop their defences, enough anyway.

In my family, we have what are known as curanderas, and similar &#039;oddballs&#039;. This is a subjective observation, but I feel that if their lives were too perfect, people would be suspicious of them. Or, they would be revered in some way, as people tend to do. Reverence is not a good thing for certain oddballs, it completely changes/lowers your status. 

Being down in the trenches with the rest of us gives some healers credibility.

As an empathic person, I see how this colours my bias. A divorced therapist is fine by me when I get around to my own divorce (the latter a joke). I would feel understood. *shrug*

There you go. And if you could send some chocolate my way that would be very much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, appears like there&#8217;s Past Stuff &#8216;twixt you an the unmentioned commenter. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  I am a deep-feeling but light-hearted soul, so yes, please see the wink above, between, and below everything I say.</p>
<p>So I will be more upfront and quickly add my pov. Solely my own!</p>
<p>I really enjoyed your post but disagree with all the parts where you mention the personal success of therapists or other&#8217;s imperfections. Fortunately for me, I love disagreement (authentic types of course).</p>
<p>I think my perspective is just very different to your own. I guess I begin with the perception that there is no such thing as perfection. So I imagine that it&#8217;s very easy to take two very different paths after that, ay?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t feel that a therapist needs to have their own life in tact to be useful to clients. In fact, out of personal darkness often comes clarity for OTHERS. Now, don&#8217;t misunderstand, I go along with the old, &#8216;physician heal thyself&#8217;, but I&#8217;m okay if said physician is tending his/her own wounds as s/he listens to mine. A therapist is not a mentor in my eyes. Now a mentor, yes, I&#8217;ll prefer she is more successful in her life than I am in mine, otherwise, why the heck am I after a mentor anyway? But I digress&#8230;.</p>
<p>As someone, ahem, recently said, Jesus walked with the scum. As a non-Christian I really dig this about the guy.<br />
I personally have found much to learn from amongst the &#8216;worse&#8217; of the imperfects of this world. If nothing else, a reminder that I am no better. That once I begin to differentiate from them because of their imperfections &#8211; feeling superior &#8211; I am merely confirming my first belief, that I am no better afterall.<br />
If I feel that a group&#8217;s energy is not of benefit to me, then that is MY issue. I own it. Many others have found that swimming in the mud is of benefit to them and to others. I saw this a lot on the streets of Sydney, with &#8217;street&#8217; preachers, shelter workers and their ilk.<br />
And try to get a homeless drug-addicted teenager to talk to the squeaky clean therapist and you&#8217;ll see them march right out the door. But offer up a tasty ex-addict and middle-of-a-divorce therapist and they drop their defences, enough anyway.</p>
<p>In my family, we have what are known as curanderas, and similar &#8216;oddballs&#8217;. This is a subjective observation, but I feel that if their lives were too perfect, people would be suspicious of them. Or, they would be revered in some way, as people tend to do. Reverence is not a good thing for certain oddballs, it completely changes/lowers your status. </p>
<p>Being down in the trenches with the rest of us gives some healers credibility.</p>
<p>As an empathic person, I see how this colours my bias. A divorced therapist is fine by me when I get around to my own divorce (the latter a joke). I would feel understood. *shrug*</p>
<p>There you go. And if you could send some chocolate my way that would be very much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: henitsirk</title>
		<link>http://eve3.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/good-help-is-hard-to-find/#comment-3314</link>
		<dc:creator>henitsirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am lucky, aren&#039;t I? I always thought, throughout my entire life up until now, &quot;Wouldn&#039;t it be great if I could get paid to sit around and read?&quot; Voila! 

I&#039;m just glad that I know you well enough, I think, to realize that you know blaming someone else won&#039;t really help. That and the little winky face.

The weird thing about this book is that it&#039;s being published by a publisher who (in part) defines itself as secular humanist...so I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop in this book, for the author to proclaim what idiots all these theologians are. But then I see that the author is a professor of scriptural studies at a seminary, so that probably won&#039;t happen :-)

Thanks for the offer of brussels sprouts, but I think I&#039;ll stick to my &quot;The Kids Are In Bed So Now I Can Eat All The Chocolate I Want&quot; evening routine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am lucky, aren&#8217;t I? I always thought, throughout my entire life up until now, &#8220;Wouldn&#8217;t it be great if I could get paid to sit around and read?&#8221; Voila! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just glad that I know you well enough, I think, to realize that you know blaming someone else won&#8217;t really help. That and the little winky face.</p>
<p>The weird thing about this book is that it&#8217;s being published by a publisher who (in part) defines itself as secular humanist&#8230;so I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop in this book, for the author to proclaim what idiots all these theologians are. But then I see that the author is a professor of scriptural studies at a seminary, so that probably won&#8217;t happen <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the offer of brussels sprouts, but I think I&#8217;ll stick to my &#8220;The Kids Are In Bed So Now I Can Eat All The Chocolate I Want&#8221; evening routine.</p>
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		<title>By: Eve</title>
		<link>http://eve3.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/good-help-is-hard-to-find/#comment-3308</link>
		<dc:creator>Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heni.... what is it with the synchronicity here? So often someone you read or who reads you will go on a wavelength and you&#039;ll be editing (and thus reading) a book about it?! Wow, woman. It&#039;s almost Twilight Zone-ish.

I sometimes feel envious that you get to read such interesting books and edit them and get paid for it. I feel sorry for myself then, because I want to be paid to read too. But I&#039;m too lazy to try to do anything about it.

I&#039;m going to find someone to blame about that so I&#039;ll feel better. ;o)

To your points, haha. You made *my* head spin! That&#039;s just how it seems to work in so many churches. 

Here&#039;s a wash cloth for your head as you go lie down. I will bring you a nice little bowl of buttered brussels sprouts, too. 

Heee heee heee!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heni&#8230;. what is it with the synchronicity here? So often someone you read or who reads you will go on a wavelength and you&#8217;ll be editing (and thus reading) a book about it?! Wow, woman. It&#8217;s almost Twilight Zone-ish.</p>
<p>I sometimes feel envious that you get to read such interesting books and edit them and get paid for it. I feel sorry for myself then, because I want to be paid to read too. But I&#8217;m too lazy to try to do anything about it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to find someone to blame about that so I&#8217;ll feel better. ;o)</p>
<p>To your points, haha. You made *my* head spin! That&#8217;s just how it seems to work in so many churches. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a wash cloth for your head as you go lie down. I will bring you a nice little bowl of buttered brussels sprouts, too. </p>
<p>Heee heee heee!!!</p>
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